From szabgab at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 05:56:08 2009 From: szabgab at gmail.com (Gabor Szabo) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 15:56:08 +0300 Subject: [OSDC Israel] Monthly OSDC meetings? Message-ID: Hi, this list has been dormant for some time now but I'd like to start using it again for organizing OSDCs where the C stands for Club. I am not yet talking about a Conference as that seems to be too much work but monthly meetings of the Open Source Developers' Club. The Linux, the Perl, Python, Ruby and PHP communities all used to have regular monthly meetings but in the last 6 month most of the language communities have hardly had a meeting. I know Shlomi Fish is organizing meetings in TAU but the attendance is quite low. I think part of the reason is that we don't have spare time in the evenings to go to these meetings. So I was wondering if it would be possible to have monthly meetings in the morning hours? Something like 9:30-1:00 would give time to 2-4 lectures with a break in the middle. People could still go to work after that so they won't "loose" a workday. This would of course work only if these meeting are really seen as contributing to your work as opposed to just contributing without management acknowledging it. So would you be able to convince your manager that not only does it worth your time (and maybe even you co-workers time) to attend such meetings but it actually is important to attend these talks? For this naturally you would need to know what is the content but you can actually suggest that yourself. I am just giving ideas here: Content ========= As content I'd expect to have talks on the 4 main dynamic languages (Perl, Python, Ruby and PHP), test automation, databases, XML processing, Web applications etc. With the minimum requirement of being *open source*. Price ========= I can imagine this to be free of charge - using something like LinkedIn for registration - or at a relatively low fee. (100-200 NIS / event / person ?) using PayPal for charging money. Location ========= We will need to have a venue where we can host the meeting - a conference room for 40-60 people with projector and Internet connection. This should be at some place accessible for many people. Time =========== As written earlier it would be monthly between 9:30-1:00 Sponsors =========== We might want to have a sponsor to cover the expenses of the event in case we need to rent the place and in order to provide refreshment. Organizers/Speakers/Volunteers ========================= Besides the speakers we will need people to help with the organization. So what do you say ? 1) Would you be interested in this? 2) Would it be possible for you to come? 3) Paying 100-200 NIS ? 4) Do you know any company that might want to host such events ? 5) Any company that would want to sponsor such events ? 6) Would you be interested in giving a talk or otherwise helping with the organization? regards Gabor -- Gabor Szabo http://szabgab.com/blog.html Perl Training in Israel http://www.pti.co.il/ Test Automation Tips http://szabgab.com/test_automation_tips.html From fogel24 at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 06:24:36 2009 From: fogel24 at gmail.com (Raphael Fogel) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 16:24:36 +0300 Subject: [OSDC Israel] Monthly OSDC meetings? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4d59fc180906010624w1c5fc676i45d220e17cf35771@mail.gmail.com> You need a room? for how many people? Maybe I can help Fogel ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Gabor Szabo Date: Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 3:56 PM Subject: [OSDC Israel] Monthly OSDC meetings? To: Open Source Developers' Conference - Israel - Discussion list < osdc-discuss at osdc.org.il> Hi, this list has been dormant for some time now but I'd like to start using it again for organizing OSDCs where the C stands for Club. I am not yet talking about a Conference as that seems to be too much work but monthly meetings of the Open Source Developers' Club. The Linux, the Perl, Python, Ruby and PHP communities all used to have regular monthly meetings but in the last 6 month most of the language communities have hardly had a meeting. I know Shlomi Fish is organizing meetings in TAU but the attendance is quite low. I think part of the reason is that we don't have spare time in the evenings to go to these meetings. So I was wondering if it would be possible to have monthly meetings in the morning hours? Something like 9:30-1:00 would give time to 2-4 lectures with a break in the middle. People could still go to work after that so they won't "loose" a workday. This would of course work only if these meeting are really seen as contributing to your work as opposed to just contributing without management acknowledging it. So would you be able to convince your manager that not only does it worth your time (and maybe even you co-workers time) to attend such meetings but it actually is important to attend these talks? For this naturally you would need to know what is the content but you can actually suggest that yourself. I am just giving ideas here: Content ========= As content I'd expect to have talks on the 4 main dynamic languages (Perl, Python, Ruby and PHP), test automation, databases, XML processing, Web applications etc. With the minimum requirement of being *open source*. Price ========= I can imagine this to be free of charge - using something like LinkedIn for registration - or at a relatively low fee. (100-200 NIS / event / person ?) using PayPal for charging money. Location ========= We will need to have a venue where we can host the meeting - a conference room for 40-60 people with projector and Internet connection. This should be at some place accessible for many people. Time =========== As written earlier it would be monthly between 9:30-1:00 Sponsors =========== We might want to have a sponsor to cover the expenses of the event in case we need to rent the place and in order to provide refreshment. Organizers/Speakers/Volunteers ========================= Besides the speakers we will need people to help with the organization. So what do you say ? 1) Would you be interested in this? 2) Would it be possible for you to come? 3) Paying 100-200 NIS ? 4) Do you know any company that might want to host such events ? 5) Any company that would want to sponsor such events ? 6) Would you be interested in giving a talk or otherwise helping with the organization? regards Gabor -- Gabor Szabo http://szabgab.com/blog.html Perl Training in Israel http://www.pti.co.il/ Test Automation Tips http://szabgab.com/test_automation_tips.html ______________________________________________ OSDC-discuss mailing list OSDC-discuss at osdc.org.il http://mail.osdc.org.il/mailman/listinfo/osdc-discuss From szabgab at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 07:48:46 2009 From: szabgab at gmail.com (Gabor Szabo) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 17:48:46 +0300 Subject: [OSDC Israel] Monthly OSDC meetings? In-Reply-To: <4d59fc180906010624w1c5fc676i45d220e17cf35771@mail.gmail.com> References: <4d59fc180906010624w1c5fc676i45d220e17cf35771@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Raphael Fogel wrote: > You need a room? for how many people? > > Maybe I can help > > Fogel > I have not received input from others yet but my expectation is starting with 30-60 people and that in a few months it will grow to 100-150 people attending the meetings. Gabor From yargolan at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 09:39:56 2009 From: yargolan at gmail.com (Yaron Golan) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 19:39:56 +0300 Subject: [OSDC Israel] Monthly OSDC meetings? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A24045C.3080509@gmail.com> I can try to see if there is an option to use the facilities where I work for. IMHO: 100-200 NIS is definably not free of charge and may be the reason for people not to come... YG Gabor Szabo wrote: > Hi, > > this list has been dormant for some time now but I'd like to start > using it again > for organizing OSDCs where the C stands for Club. > > I am not yet talking about a Conference as that seems to be too much work but > monthly meetings of the Open Source Developers' Club. > > > The Linux, the Perl, Python, Ruby and PHP communities all used to have > regular monthly > meetings but in the last 6 month most of the language communities have > hardly had a > meeting. I know Shlomi Fish is organizing meetings in TAU but the > attendance is quite low. > > > I think part of the reason is that we don't have spare time in the > evenings to go to these meetings. > So I was wondering if it would be possible to have monthly meetings in > the morning hours? > > Something like 9:30-1:00 would give time to 2-4 lectures with a break > in the middle. > People could still go to work after that so they won't "loose" a workday. > > This would of course work only if these meeting are really seen as > contributing to your work > as opposed to just contributing without management acknowledging it. > > So would you be able to convince your manager that not only does it > worth your time > (and maybe even you co-workers time) to attend such meetings but it > actually is important > to attend these talks? > > For this naturally you would need to know what is the content but you > can actually suggest that > yourself. I am just giving ideas here: > > > Content > ========= > As content I'd expect to have talks on the 4 main dynamic languages > (Perl, Python, Ruby and PHP), test automation, databases, XML processing, > Web applications etc. With the minimum requirement of being *open source*. > > > Price > ========= > I can imagine this to be free of charge - using something like > LinkedIn for registration - > or at a relatively low fee. (100-200 NIS / event / person ?) using > PayPal for charging money. > > > Location > ========= > We will need to have a venue where we can host the meeting - a > conference room for > 40-60 people with projector and Internet connection. This should be at > some place > accessible for many people. > > Time > =========== > As written earlier it would be monthly between 9:30-1:00 > > Sponsors > =========== > We might want to have a sponsor to cover the expenses of the event in > case we need to rent the place and in order to provide refreshment. > > > Organizers/Speakers/Volunteers > ========================= > Besides the speakers we will need people to help with the organization. > > > So what do you say ? > > 1) Would you be interested in this? > 2) Would it be possible for you to come? > 3) Paying 100-200 NIS ? > > 4) Do you know any company that might want to host such events ? > 5) Any company that would want to sponsor such events ? > > 6) Would you be interested in giving a talk or otherwise helping with > the organization? > > regards > Gabor > > > From szabgab at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 10:28:06 2009 From: szabgab at gmail.com (Gabor Szabo) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 20:28:06 +0300 Subject: [OSDC Israel] Monthly OSDC meetings? In-Reply-To: <4A24045C.3080509@gmail.com> References: <4A24045C.3080509@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Yaron Golan wrote: > I can try to see if there is an option to use the facilities where I work > for. thanks. > > IMHO: 100-200 NIS is definably not free of charge and may be the reason for > people not to come... This is not planned to be the usual style meeting we used to have in the evenings. This is planned to be a much more high-profile set of meetings, similar to the OSDC - the conference - or the YAPCs we had in previous years. It will just happen monthly. Regarding the venue, if there is a company that wants to provide us place it must be from the point that they want these evens (or at least some of them) to be held in their offices and to be associated with them. I am also more leaning toward charging money. People at companies need to understand that what they get here is not just a few friendly people giving free advice. Just as on the YAPCs and OSDCs the talks are going to be high-quality that are worth the money and the time. Gabor ps. To be clear, I am not saying the evening meetings of either language group or the Linux user groups is not high-level. I am saying that these meeting I am planning to organize now will be high quality and should be perceived as such.